1.1 The TODAY story: Day 1 (September 9, 1991)
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EXPOSED: Two artists admit they pulled off the great corn circles hoax for 13 years
MEN WHO CONNED THE WORLD
EXCLUSIVE by GRAHAM BROUGH
The mysterious corn circles that baffled scientists around the world are a gigantic hoax, TODAY can reveal.
Two British artists have been secretly creating them for 13 years while a multi-million industry to explain the markings has built up around them.
Corn circle expert Patrick Delgado admitted last night: “We have all been conned. Thousands of lives are going to be wrecked over this.”
The artists not only fooled Mr Delgado, author of £3 million worth of international best-selling books on the phenomenon. They also managed to trick investigators across the world including:
The circles are nothing more mysterious than the work of two jovial conmen in their 60s – Doug Bower and David Chorley.
An incredulous Mr Delgado listened in disbelief when TODAY brought him face to face with the men who had fooled him. Doug told him: “My biggest regret is sitting here knowing you have done all that hard work all these years.”
Mr Delgado said: “What does make me upset is the thousands of people whose lives are going to be shattered because of this, if everything you say is true. I’ll look a fool.”
But he told his tormenters: “I admire your courage for coming forward. I find this quite hilarious really. It’s quite a relief it is all over.”
He told the con artists: “You’ve done so much good in this world, you have brought millions of people together over this.
“Thousands have changed their lives.” He added: “You’re going to upset an awful lot of lives by blowing this now. Couldn’t you just tail it off with a couple more next year?”
Then he admonished the two friends saying: “On the moral side, you have caused a considerable amount of trouble for the police and Army.”
Halfway through the explanation of how the circles were made Mr Delgado’s co-author Colin Andrews, who has just resigned his full-time job to investigate the crop circles, walked in.
Mr Delgado told him: “Sit down. This is bad news. This is 100 per cent bad news.” Last night Mr Andrews and Mr Delgado were studying the men’s claims.
They have called an urgent conference tomorrow of all the corn circle experts to test their dossier.
TODAY carried out a thorough test of the men’s corn circle skills in a Kent field.
Mr Delgado admitted: “There’s no doubt your test proves they are hoaxes. I thought it was a genuine corn circle.”
Theories put forward for the mysterious circles ranged from extra-terrestrial forces, including landings by Unidentified Flying Objects, and fluke wind and weather patterns. What baffled the experts was the extreme precision of the circles and the fact that the corn around them was undamaged.
The British artists achieved all that with two wooden boards, a piece of string and a bizarre sighting device attached to a baseball cap.
Their only application of science was to do a detailed drawing of their circles before setting out on their nightly adventures.
After an investigation by TODAY which lasted a week, the men agreed to disclose their hoax.
They said they were sick of people making vast fortunes out of their circles.
They gave a special display of their skills to TODAY investigators in countryside near Sevenoaks, Kent.
Mr Delgado inspected the field after we hid the artists and said: “No human could have done this.”
Harvest
The artists have been copied many times but Mr Delgado and his team have been able to reveal them as hoaxes because the corn was damaged.
After their circles were laid out in the Kent wheat field, the farmer was able to harvest his crop without any losses.
Mr Delgado said of the Kent circles: “What we are dealing with here nobody in the world understands. We are left with the fact that these crops are laid down in these sensational patterns by an energy that remains unexplained and is laid down by a high level of intelligence.”
When the truth was out he said: “My reaction is one of wonderment at the artistry that they have done in such a manner that their work could be considered as something out of this world.
“They are to be admired in the way they have conducted their nocturnal escapades which made it look as though there was a real intelligence that we don’t understand. From this simple prank has developed one of the world’s most sensational unifying situations since Biblical days.
“If everything they say is correct this is a lesson to us all that we should look and listen to the beautiful and small things in life.”
But he said there would be a tremendous backlash from the scores of people, including members of the Royal Family and Government ministers, who had invested years of research.
And Mr Delgado added: “We have all learned one of the greatest lessons of our lives because of the actions of two country lads who started this off as a joke.”
How we made the circles and fooled the world
The mystery of the corn circles – which has baffled experts for more than a decade – is today exposed as nothing more than a hoax by two artists.
After a week-long investigation, we can reveal that Douglas Bower and David Chorley, two men in their 60s, have been successfully fooling the experts for years.
And last night, they destroyed the myths that have built up around the strange circles, which have been appearing in corn fields since the late Seventies.
Under cross-examination, the two men have told a completely consistent story of how they made the circles in fields across the south of England.
Every part of their evidence has stood up to scrutiny.
Then TODAY secretly arranged for them to create the ultimate corn circle design in a field in Kent.
But the most damning evidence of all came when self-professed expert, Pat Delgado examined the circle and said: “In no way could this be a hoax. This is without doubt the most wonderful moment of my research.”
However, just hours before Mr Delgado’s visit to the field, we had watched as the two men had step by step demonstrated their method of making the corn circles.
Dozens of theories have been expounded to try to explain corn circles. They have ranged from bursts of psychic energy to their creation by UFOs.
But the most “authoritative” voice so far has been Mr Delgado, who has written two books on the subject – Circular Evidence and The Latest Evidence.
Circular Evidence, which chronicles seven years of corn circles in Southern England, reached number three in the best seller list, and concluded that despite the possibility of hoaxes: “There are certain aspects of a single true circle that could never be produced by a machine or manually.”
Even the Queen, Prince Philip and Prince Charles have followed Mr Delgado and his colleague Colin Andrews’ writings on the subject.
Buckingham Palace has written to him three times. On the last occasion it was Prince Philip wanting to be kept posted on any developments. But last week, the two men who claim to have perpetrated one of the greatest practical jokes of all time, contacted TODAY.
For seven days, we have questioned them at their homes in Southampton, Hampshire.
They have produced dozens of drawings and diagrams, which tally exactly with the most spectacular – and unexplained – corn circles.
Their stories never changed. However, TODAY insisted that they take the ultimate test, to create a perfect corn circle to be examined by Mr Delgado.
STEP ONE: The two men prepared an intricate drawing of the corn circle at Mr Bower’s home.
Experiments
The design – based on a pattern they have used four or five times already this summer – was first sketched out in detail on a piece of white cardboard and then cut into larger pieces of white card so that Dave could memorise Doug’s design.
It consisted of a large corn circle with the wheat laid down in a clockwise swirling motion, the hallmark basic ring they have done since 1978, and which came to the nation’s attention in 1981.
At 45 degree angles from the circle, with two smaller circles at the end, were the design features called antennae by experts. Coming from the other side of the circle was an 8ft “runway” or “corridor” looped by two huge semi-circles.
At 45 degrees from the end of the corridor was the “ladder” motif they have been using this year, capped by another huge semi-circle. The men cheekily signed off with two “Ds”, the initials of their Christian names.
STEP TWO: TODAY arranged for an uncut field of wheat on a farm near Sevenoaks in Kent to be set aside.
The men arrived at 1.30 pm. Their equipment consisted of: 4ft wooden plinths, with rope reins, a ball of string and an old baseball cap.
The cap had a piece of wire threaded through its visor which was then looped into a kind of gunsight so that they eye could pick out a reference point on the horizon and Doug could create straight edges by following his line of vision.
STEP THREE: Work begins.
The pair walked down tyre tracks left by the farmer’s tractor, not leaving a mark. They walked in high-stepping loping strides, swishing any corn they might have dislodged back up behind them with their hands.
Once at the site, Dave placed his foot on one end of the plinth while Doug worked it round the fixed point in a complete circle, delicately laying down the corn without damage.
The pair then took turns in following the outside line of the original small circle and building on it with ever widening concentric circles. Doug said: “You hold the reins in your right had and place your right foot on the plinth half way up the stalks of corn.
“Then you push the corn gently forward trying not to break it.
“The heavy heads of the wheat tend to keep it down so in effect you are just laying the corn rather than tramping it. However many times you go around the bigger the circle becomes.
“When you are satisfied it is big enough you start on the connecting corridor by wearing the baseball cap with the piece of stiff wire attached to the peak and a hole made in the wire.
Path
“In this case I lined up a tree on the horizon and by keeping it in my eye and looking through the hole in the wire I proceeded to walk through the corn walking in a straight line, but walking sideways so as to clear a little path.
“When I decided it was long enough I went back to where I started and Dave and I then laid down the corn with two widths of the stick making it 8ft wide.
“At the end of the corridor we made a circle the same as the first one.
“After than Dave paced out the length of the corridor and walked back to find the centre. In this case it was 22 paces so he then counted back 11 to get the centre. He then stood in the middle while we checked his pacing by holding the string tight from the middle back to the circle and checking he was midway between the two circles.
“Then with him holding the string taut at the centre of the corridor I proceeded to walk clockwise around the whole thing in a huge circle, treading down the wheat with my feet and then making that ring 4fy wide in the same way with the stick.
“Wearing the cap again I walked out the two antennae, and we trampled them down 4ft wide and did little circles at the end. Then going back to the second circle and wearing the cap again I looked through the wire sights and picked out an angle from the circle to make the start of the ladder.
“When I’d gone far enough I walked back and with me walking one side of the corn and holding the stick and Dave holding the other end we walked parallel up the original line to create the legs of the ladder.
“We then made them 4ft wide with the stick, then went back to the start and again holding each end of the stick trampled down the corn the other way to make 4ft gaps for the rungs. Then we carefully laid the corn down first one way, then the other, to make each rung 4ft wide.
“To finish the whole thing off we repeated the centring technique like on the corridor and did a big semi-circle to cap the ladder.
STEP FOUR: The escape.
“Getting out of the circle without trampling the corn was easy because we just followed a tramline we had found, made by a farm tractor while crop spraying,” Doug said.
Evidence
After an hour, TODAY leaked news of the appearance of the corn circles to Mr Delgado. He arrived at the scene, and immediately began examining the evidence.
He stepped into the circle to make sure none of the stems were broken – which used to be a tell-tale sign of a hoax – and said: “I have got goose pimples stepping into this circle.
“This must be without doubt one of the greatest of modern mysteries.”
But now the mystery is over – the corn circles are the world’s biggest practical joke. Even Orson Welle’s [sic] War of the World’s [sic] radio broadcast and the Hitler Diaries fiasco did not extend their success beyond a few hours or weeks. The Great Corn Circle Hoax lasted a decade.
Amazingly, the entire scam was dreamed up by two men in a pub.
Doug said: “I lived in Australia from 1958 to 1966 and during that time there were a few circles farmers put in crops in Queensland as a joke.
“When we got back to England I started going out with David on Friday nights to discuss water colour painting and go for a quiet drink.
“After 10 years of going out every Friday we were sitting in the pub near Cheesefoot Head wondering what we could do for a bit of a laugh.”
“There was a lot of interest in UFOs at that time so I remembered about the circles in Queensland and suggested we should flatten some corn to make it look like something had landed during the night.
“The first one we did was in the summer of 1978 in a place we call the Strawberry Field half way between the pub and the Head. We did that first one with the iron bar I used to secure the back door of my shop in Southampton on our hands and knees, but we developed our own techniques as we went along.”
Dave said: “We enjoyed that first one and had a good giggle about it after.
Laughed
“It was nice being out in a summer night in the pitch black. The air was beautiful out there so we decided to do some more.
“But for three rotten years they never noticed what we were doing and it never got in the papers. We wanted the papers to catch on so we could have a good laugh about it.
“We started doing them in the punchbowl at Cheesefoot Head so people could look down on them from the road.
“Then all of a sudden we saw an article in the local paper and then articles in the national papers and we knew we had done it.
“We heard this bloke Delgado had reported them – that was the first time we had heard of him.
“When we heard he had worked at NASA in Australia we were even more pleased. He started saying they had been done by a “superior intelligence” – we liked the sound of that. We laughed so much that time we had to stop the car and pull into a lay-by. Because Doug was in stitches so much he couldn’t drive”
The circles at Cheesefoot Head were described as “sensational” in Delgado and Andrews’ book, Circular Evidence.
It was important, they said, that there were no well-defined tramlines nearby. But Doug and Dave had simply used their high-stepped loping walk to get through the corn.
Later they became less careful. “Even if we were clumsy and caused a mess, they were still so keen on dismissing that humans had done it that they explained it away by saying, ‘Oh the first onlooker must have done that’,” Doug said.
Sightings
“The first publicity made it even more exciting which is only natural really.
“Once the papers started saying a UFO had landed we started to go down to Warminster in Wiltshire, where there had been a lot of UFO sightings, and do the circles there to create a bit of a stir.
“We still carried on doing them around Winchester but Warminster was the place to be.
“But when Pat Delgado and Colin Andrews got interested, that’s when we really took off.”
TODAY has paid no money.
©MBF Services
MEN WHO CONNED THE WORLD
EXCLUSIVE by GRAHAM BROUGH
The mysterious corn circles that baffled scientists around the world are a gigantic hoax, TODAY can reveal.
Two British artists have been secretly creating them for 13 years while a multi-million industry to explain the markings has built up around them.
Corn circle expert Patrick Delgado admitted last night: “We have all been conned. Thousands of lives are going to be wrecked over this.”
The artists not only fooled Mr Delgado, author of £3 million worth of international best-selling books on the phenomenon. They also managed to trick investigators across the world including:
- Japanese scientists who came to Britain with £5 million for research
- Government departments and military top brass who held special inquiries and
- Farming organizations who were assisting research
The circles are nothing more mysterious than the work of two jovial conmen in their 60s – Doug Bower and David Chorley.
An incredulous Mr Delgado listened in disbelief when TODAY brought him face to face with the men who had fooled him. Doug told him: “My biggest regret is sitting here knowing you have done all that hard work all these years.”
Mr Delgado said: “What does make me upset is the thousands of people whose lives are going to be shattered because of this, if everything you say is true. I’ll look a fool.”
But he told his tormenters: “I admire your courage for coming forward. I find this quite hilarious really. It’s quite a relief it is all over.”
He told the con artists: “You’ve done so much good in this world, you have brought millions of people together over this.
“Thousands have changed their lives.” He added: “You’re going to upset an awful lot of lives by blowing this now. Couldn’t you just tail it off with a couple more next year?”
Then he admonished the two friends saying: “On the moral side, you have caused a considerable amount of trouble for the police and Army.”
Halfway through the explanation of how the circles were made Mr Delgado’s co-author Colin Andrews, who has just resigned his full-time job to investigate the crop circles, walked in.
Mr Delgado told him: “Sit down. This is bad news. This is 100 per cent bad news.” Last night Mr Andrews and Mr Delgado were studying the men’s claims.
They have called an urgent conference tomorrow of all the corn circle experts to test their dossier.
TODAY carried out a thorough test of the men’s corn circle skills in a Kent field.
Mr Delgado admitted: “There’s no doubt your test proves they are hoaxes. I thought it was a genuine corn circle.”
Theories put forward for the mysterious circles ranged from extra-terrestrial forces, including landings by Unidentified Flying Objects, and fluke wind and weather patterns. What baffled the experts was the extreme precision of the circles and the fact that the corn around them was undamaged.
The British artists achieved all that with two wooden boards, a piece of string and a bizarre sighting device attached to a baseball cap.
Their only application of science was to do a detailed drawing of their circles before setting out on their nightly adventures.
After an investigation by TODAY which lasted a week, the men agreed to disclose their hoax.
They said they were sick of people making vast fortunes out of their circles.
They gave a special display of their skills to TODAY investigators in countryside near Sevenoaks, Kent.
Mr Delgado inspected the field after we hid the artists and said: “No human could have done this.”
Harvest
The artists have been copied many times but Mr Delgado and his team have been able to reveal them as hoaxes because the corn was damaged.
After their circles were laid out in the Kent wheat field, the farmer was able to harvest his crop without any losses.
Mr Delgado said of the Kent circles: “What we are dealing with here nobody in the world understands. We are left with the fact that these crops are laid down in these sensational patterns by an energy that remains unexplained and is laid down by a high level of intelligence.”
When the truth was out he said: “My reaction is one of wonderment at the artistry that they have done in such a manner that their work could be considered as something out of this world.
“They are to be admired in the way they have conducted their nocturnal escapades which made it look as though there was a real intelligence that we don’t understand. From this simple prank has developed one of the world’s most sensational unifying situations since Biblical days.
“If everything they say is correct this is a lesson to us all that we should look and listen to the beautiful and small things in life.”
But he said there would be a tremendous backlash from the scores of people, including members of the Royal Family and Government ministers, who had invested years of research.
And Mr Delgado added: “We have all learned one of the greatest lessons of our lives because of the actions of two country lads who started this off as a joke.”
How we made the circles and fooled the world
The mystery of the corn circles – which has baffled experts for more than a decade – is today exposed as nothing more than a hoax by two artists.
After a week-long investigation, we can reveal that Douglas Bower and David Chorley, two men in their 60s, have been successfully fooling the experts for years.
And last night, they destroyed the myths that have built up around the strange circles, which have been appearing in corn fields since the late Seventies.
Under cross-examination, the two men have told a completely consistent story of how they made the circles in fields across the south of England.
Every part of their evidence has stood up to scrutiny.
Then TODAY secretly arranged for them to create the ultimate corn circle design in a field in Kent.
But the most damning evidence of all came when self-professed expert, Pat Delgado examined the circle and said: “In no way could this be a hoax. This is without doubt the most wonderful moment of my research.”
However, just hours before Mr Delgado’s visit to the field, we had watched as the two men had step by step demonstrated their method of making the corn circles.
Dozens of theories have been expounded to try to explain corn circles. They have ranged from bursts of psychic energy to their creation by UFOs.
But the most “authoritative” voice so far has been Mr Delgado, who has written two books on the subject – Circular Evidence and The Latest Evidence.
Circular Evidence, which chronicles seven years of corn circles in Southern England, reached number three in the best seller list, and concluded that despite the possibility of hoaxes: “There are certain aspects of a single true circle that could never be produced by a machine or manually.”
Even the Queen, Prince Philip and Prince Charles have followed Mr Delgado and his colleague Colin Andrews’ writings on the subject.
Buckingham Palace has written to him three times. On the last occasion it was Prince Philip wanting to be kept posted on any developments. But last week, the two men who claim to have perpetrated one of the greatest practical jokes of all time, contacted TODAY.
For seven days, we have questioned them at their homes in Southampton, Hampshire.
They have produced dozens of drawings and diagrams, which tally exactly with the most spectacular – and unexplained – corn circles.
Their stories never changed. However, TODAY insisted that they take the ultimate test, to create a perfect corn circle to be examined by Mr Delgado.
STEP ONE: The two men prepared an intricate drawing of the corn circle at Mr Bower’s home.
Experiments
The design – based on a pattern they have used four or five times already this summer – was first sketched out in detail on a piece of white cardboard and then cut into larger pieces of white card so that Dave could memorise Doug’s design.
It consisted of a large corn circle with the wheat laid down in a clockwise swirling motion, the hallmark basic ring they have done since 1978, and which came to the nation’s attention in 1981.
At 45 degree angles from the circle, with two smaller circles at the end, were the design features called antennae by experts. Coming from the other side of the circle was an 8ft “runway” or “corridor” looped by two huge semi-circles.
At 45 degrees from the end of the corridor was the “ladder” motif they have been using this year, capped by another huge semi-circle. The men cheekily signed off with two “Ds”, the initials of their Christian names.
STEP TWO: TODAY arranged for an uncut field of wheat on a farm near Sevenoaks in Kent to be set aside.
The men arrived at 1.30 pm. Their equipment consisted of: 4ft wooden plinths, with rope reins, a ball of string and an old baseball cap.
The cap had a piece of wire threaded through its visor which was then looped into a kind of gunsight so that they eye could pick out a reference point on the horizon and Doug could create straight edges by following his line of vision.
STEP THREE: Work begins.
The pair walked down tyre tracks left by the farmer’s tractor, not leaving a mark. They walked in high-stepping loping strides, swishing any corn they might have dislodged back up behind them with their hands.
Once at the site, Dave placed his foot on one end of the plinth while Doug worked it round the fixed point in a complete circle, delicately laying down the corn without damage.
The pair then took turns in following the outside line of the original small circle and building on it with ever widening concentric circles. Doug said: “You hold the reins in your right had and place your right foot on the plinth half way up the stalks of corn.
“Then you push the corn gently forward trying not to break it.
“The heavy heads of the wheat tend to keep it down so in effect you are just laying the corn rather than tramping it. However many times you go around the bigger the circle becomes.
“When you are satisfied it is big enough you start on the connecting corridor by wearing the baseball cap with the piece of stiff wire attached to the peak and a hole made in the wire.
Path
“In this case I lined up a tree on the horizon and by keeping it in my eye and looking through the hole in the wire I proceeded to walk through the corn walking in a straight line, but walking sideways so as to clear a little path.
“When I decided it was long enough I went back to where I started and Dave and I then laid down the corn with two widths of the stick making it 8ft wide.
“At the end of the corridor we made a circle the same as the first one.
“After than Dave paced out the length of the corridor and walked back to find the centre. In this case it was 22 paces so he then counted back 11 to get the centre. He then stood in the middle while we checked his pacing by holding the string tight from the middle back to the circle and checking he was midway between the two circles.
“Then with him holding the string taut at the centre of the corridor I proceeded to walk clockwise around the whole thing in a huge circle, treading down the wheat with my feet and then making that ring 4fy wide in the same way with the stick.
“Wearing the cap again I walked out the two antennae, and we trampled them down 4ft wide and did little circles at the end. Then going back to the second circle and wearing the cap again I looked through the wire sights and picked out an angle from the circle to make the start of the ladder.
“When I’d gone far enough I walked back and with me walking one side of the corn and holding the stick and Dave holding the other end we walked parallel up the original line to create the legs of the ladder.
“We then made them 4ft wide with the stick, then went back to the start and again holding each end of the stick trampled down the corn the other way to make 4ft gaps for the rungs. Then we carefully laid the corn down first one way, then the other, to make each rung 4ft wide.
“To finish the whole thing off we repeated the centring technique like on the corridor and did a big semi-circle to cap the ladder.
STEP FOUR: The escape.
“Getting out of the circle without trampling the corn was easy because we just followed a tramline we had found, made by a farm tractor while crop spraying,” Doug said.
Evidence
After an hour, TODAY leaked news of the appearance of the corn circles to Mr Delgado. He arrived at the scene, and immediately began examining the evidence.
He stepped into the circle to make sure none of the stems were broken – which used to be a tell-tale sign of a hoax – and said: “I have got goose pimples stepping into this circle.
“This must be without doubt one of the greatest of modern mysteries.”
But now the mystery is over – the corn circles are the world’s biggest practical joke. Even Orson Welle’s [sic] War of the World’s [sic] radio broadcast and the Hitler Diaries fiasco did not extend their success beyond a few hours or weeks. The Great Corn Circle Hoax lasted a decade.
Amazingly, the entire scam was dreamed up by two men in a pub.
Doug said: “I lived in Australia from 1958 to 1966 and during that time there were a few circles farmers put in crops in Queensland as a joke.
“When we got back to England I started going out with David on Friday nights to discuss water colour painting and go for a quiet drink.
“After 10 years of going out every Friday we were sitting in the pub near Cheesefoot Head wondering what we could do for a bit of a laugh.”
“There was a lot of interest in UFOs at that time so I remembered about the circles in Queensland and suggested we should flatten some corn to make it look like something had landed during the night.
“The first one we did was in the summer of 1978 in a place we call the Strawberry Field half way between the pub and the Head. We did that first one with the iron bar I used to secure the back door of my shop in Southampton on our hands and knees, but we developed our own techniques as we went along.”
Dave said: “We enjoyed that first one and had a good giggle about it after.
Laughed
“It was nice being out in a summer night in the pitch black. The air was beautiful out there so we decided to do some more.
“But for three rotten years they never noticed what we were doing and it never got in the papers. We wanted the papers to catch on so we could have a good laugh about it.
“We started doing them in the punchbowl at Cheesefoot Head so people could look down on them from the road.
“Then all of a sudden we saw an article in the local paper and then articles in the national papers and we knew we had done it.
“We heard this bloke Delgado had reported them – that was the first time we had heard of him.
“When we heard he had worked at NASA in Australia we were even more pleased. He started saying they had been done by a “superior intelligence” – we liked the sound of that. We laughed so much that time we had to stop the car and pull into a lay-by. Because Doug was in stitches so much he couldn’t drive”
The circles at Cheesefoot Head were described as “sensational” in Delgado and Andrews’ book, Circular Evidence.
It was important, they said, that there were no well-defined tramlines nearby. But Doug and Dave had simply used their high-stepped loping walk to get through the corn.
Later they became less careful. “Even if we were clumsy and caused a mess, they were still so keen on dismissing that humans had done it that they explained it away by saying, ‘Oh the first onlooker must have done that’,” Doug said.
Sightings
“The first publicity made it even more exciting which is only natural really.
“Once the papers started saying a UFO had landed we started to go down to Warminster in Wiltshire, where there had been a lot of UFO sightings, and do the circles there to create a bit of a stir.
“We still carried on doing them around Winchester but Warminster was the place to be.
“But when Pat Delgado and Colin Andrews got interested, that’s when we really took off.”
TODAY has paid no money.
©MBF Services